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The Western grid continues to build out and get greener.  When completed, this new transmission superhighway will have the capacity to transmit 3,200 MW between Central Arizona and Southern California. By 2030, CA imports will be as clean or cleaner than in-state generation.

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Bob Meinetz on Nov 9, 2021

"The Western grid continues to get greener."

Oh, really? Sure doesn't look that way.
 

Starwood Energy Group Global, LLC, builders of Ten West Link, has a total of 832 MW of wind and solar and eight times as much gas generation (6,900 MW).

Did you really think investors in Starwood Energy Group were going to wait for the sun to shine and the wind to blow to make electricity?

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Joe Deely on Nov 12, 2021

Amazing Bob - here was I thinking that the electricity on this new transmission line would be coming from nearby new projects in Arizona and New Mexico.

I didn't realize that the "Meinetz Super Grid" had been implemented and that Starwood can now transport electricity from their East Coast plants out to California. When did you get that turned on?

The below are from the link you provided..

Edgewater Generation is a portfolio of five natural gas-fired facilities. Fairless Energy Center (1,240 MW), Manchester Street Station (510 MW), and Garrison Energy Center (325 MW) are combined cycle facilities located in Fairless Hills, PA, Providence, RI, and Dover, DE, respectively. West Lorain Power (545 MW) and RockGen Energy (503 MW) are simple cycle facilities located in Lorain, OH and Cambridge, WI.

The Excalibur Power Portfolio consists of interests in three thermal facilities located in New Jersey (Logan – 225MW and Chambers – 262MW) and Arkansas (Plum Point – 680MW)

Marcus Hook Energy Center, located  southwest of Philadelphia, PA is comprised of an efficient 848MW 3×1 combined cycle natural-gas fired power plant and MH50, a 50MW peaker

 

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Joe Steinke on Nov 11, 2021

One of the problems of importing PV electricity from Arizona is that the sun sets an hour early there.  That will only increase the current duckbill issue in California as the afternoon peak hits without massive storage.  I was just recently in Arizona and sending Arizona electricity to California was not very popular.   Reminds me a bit of Texas where 1/2 of the subsidies for wind went to transmission upgrades to bring in electricity from the far flung parts of the state rather than locally generated electricity.   

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Joe Deely on Nov 12, 2021

 I was just recently in Arizona and sending Arizona electricity to California was not very popular.  

Someone should tell those folks that the Navajo coal plant in AZ was exporting coal to SoCal for decades before it was shutdown in 2019.

Plus let them know that 26% of the Palo Verde Nuclear station is owned by SoCal utilities.

 

One of the problems of importing PV electricity from Arizona is that the sun sets an hour early there.  

Doesn't that mean the CA can import solar from early morning - which is currently a period where prices are higher on CAISO?  By the way, let's not forget New Mexico - a lot of the electricity on this line will be coming from there as well. See list in above comment.

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Joe Steinke on Nov 12, 2021

Joe Deely - Solar in the morning from Arizona means we will have to shut down the gas plants a little bit earlier.  More cycling, less hours on the gas plants.   

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Joe Deely on Nov 15, 2021

Yep... sounds good. Storage will squeeze NG out in early evening hours and imports in early morning hours.

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