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Charlie Botsford Joins the Energy Central Power Perspectives Podcast to Implore Utilities to Utilize Electric Vehicles as the Asset They Are

  • Sep 16, 2021 12:15 pm GMT
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The most recent episode of  the Energy Central Power Perspectives Podcast saw Charlie Botsford, Program Manager at CWB Energy Solutions, share his keen insights on the ways in which vehicle electrification will be an asset to the forward-looking utilities. While EVs will represent one of, if not the, largest load demand increase in history, they will also bring with them deployable and flexible energy storage that can re-write the story on the energy transition. 

Charlie highlights the baseline situation of EVs on the grid today and how utilities can and should approach everything from increased power demand, V1G and V2G charging, government EV incentives, and really all the ways that EVs can go from liability to asset. That is, of course, if the utilities plan now to take advantage. And that's what Charlie shares with host Jason Price and producer Matt Chester in this can't-miss episode of the Energy Central Power Perspectives Podcast: 

Energy Central has had this series of articles by Doug Houseman, that says, "If I were king," and I love that series of articles ... "If I were king, I would advise the Administration to focus EV charging infrastructure funds on two primary areas. One would be long dwell time charging," which is really the foundation of how EVs currently get charged and how they'll get charged in the future. This is at single family residential, multi-unit dwelling like condo complexes and apartment buildings, workplaces, depot charging. Depot charging, like for school buses. That's number one. That's long dwell time charging, primarily overnight, workplaces during the day. And then, number two would be corridor DC fast charging for light, medium and heavy duty vehicles.

This entry into the podcast, like all of the series episodes, can be found on all major podcast outlets, including iTunes and Spotify, or it can be listened to directly on the Energy Central platform. Give it a listen and share your reaction in the comments.

Episode #42: 'EVs As A Grid Asset, Will Utilities Take Advantage' With Charlie Botsford [an Energy Central Power Perspectives™ Podcast]


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Bob Meinetz on Sep 16, 2021

Why anyone would implore utilities to adopt V2G (or any battery storage "solution") is a mystery to me, unless its purpose is to help independent power producers increase profits by forestalling the construction of additional gas generation resources to meet peak demand.

All grid-scale storage is charged by a grid mix - not by solar panels or wind farms. And due to inherent inefficiencies of battery storage it increases CO2 emissions anywhere from 104 to 407 kg/MWh, essentially doubling its CO2 footprint:

"We find that net system CO2 emissions resulting from storage operation are nontrivial when compared to the emissions from electricity generation, ranging from 104 to 407 kg/MWh of delivered energy depending on location, storage operation mode, and assumptions regarding carbon intensity."

Moreover, Charlie overestimates the efficiency of V2G, in practical application as a grid storage strategy, by at least 25%:

"Highlights - Efficiency is critical for V2G economics, but data were not previously available.
A recent study filled this void, finding roundtrip efficiency of 53%–62%.
Existing V2G economic analyses ignore losses or assume much higher efficiencies.
Electricity losses can offset >50% of V2G revenues from frequency regulation."

V2G is another desperate attempt to obviate the intermittency of solar and wind by increasing  emissions. Worse than Li-ion grid-scale storage, it's going backwards when we can least afford to do so.

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