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Energy: Expectations and reality

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Energy: Expectations and reality

We are able to use energy as much as we want, whenever we want. and at a price, controlled by the regulator.

The energy supply systems were essentially centralized, designed to robustly meet demand and, above all, backed by firm sources that are available by dispatch from an independent system operator.

The new sources such as solar and wind, which emerge as preferred alternatives, have a different characteristic from the traditional ones: they are intermittent. When there is no sun or wind, and even when its intensity is lower. .

These sources require investments in other, traditional ones, to face their intermittence.

We should therefore get used to the fact that the supply of energy will be more expensive with the increasingly massive introduction of these (solar/wind) sources.

This differs from the prevailing perception that sun and wind are free.

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Andrew Blakers on Oct 13, 2021

Actually, solar energy provides the cheapest energy in history according to the IEA. Energy prices FALL when high levels of solar/wind are introduced.

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Rafael Herzberg on Oct 13, 2021

It depends on what is considered in this calculation.

I like to tell my consulting clients (industrial, commercial and institutional ones) that there are at least two approaches:

1st) Considering each energy source individually and come up with its intrinsic cost/price
and
2nd)  Considering the energy sources portfolio (as a whole) and see what's its cost/price.

The most popular trend is using the 1st one (above). But... at the end of the day the whole society pays for the 2nd.



 

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Andrew Blakers on Oct 13, 2021

Prices in the wholesale spot market incorporate both energy and balancing costs. In Australia, at 36% renewables and tracking towards 50% by 2025, prices halved over 2020-2021 cvompared with 2016-2019. When the USA catches up to Austraia under Biden's 2030 emissions plan, prices in the USA will stay low.

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Rafael Herzberg on Oct 14, 2021

Hi Andrew!

Here in Brazil power prices are way higher than before solar and wind were introduced.

The situation is: the same installed capacity of the national system must be there as if there were no sun and wind related energy sources. The reason is simple: here in Brazil when there is no (or just a bit) sun or no wind (or just a bit) the conventional sources must be there - instantly -  to assure that the system is properly attended.

In financial terms, the CAPEX including PV and wind and the traditional sources are ADDED. It means that the total CAPEX is higher therefore amortization related costs are way higher and accordingly must be paid simply put because there is no free lunch!

Thanks for your comments. Please fee free to offer your analysis!

 

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Andrew Blakers on Oct 14, 2021

In 2020, Brazil installed 24 Watts per person per year of solar+wind (IRENA). This is ten times slower per capita than Australia. Brazil has barely begun its solar/wind revolution. Its nonsense to ascribe price increases to the tiny Brazillian solar/wind industry.

Please read this to see a probable future for Brazil.

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