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The Electrical Power Generation Industry Must Put the CO2 Scam Behind, Move Forward

The Electrical Power Generation Industry Must Put the CO2 Scam Behind, Move Forward.  True for today ungodly funds of innocent taxpayers and ratepayers have been spent on the so-called 'renewable' energy, wind and solar) instead of the sustainable energy, geothermal and hydroelectric.

Also research and excess funding were spent on 1859 battery technology using exotic materials in lieu of lead acid - same technology just more expensive, where pumped-storage offer instantaneous electrical energy, reliable and with grid quality.

The unavoidable results of the uncontrolled spending of public funds is not only unreliable and with low quality (voltage fluctuations, frequency deviations and poor power factor) grid, but to boot shutting down of otherwise operating base-load, fossil-fueled power plants.  That is not for CO2 issues, but rather poor economics after forced to yield to renewable, but still required to provide spinning reserve.



Bob Meinetz's picture
Bob Meinetz on Sep 18, 2019 3:03 pm GMT

Noam, your desperate rambling plea could only be expected from a veteran Houston-area consultant for the oil industry, but the world has changed.

Yes, solar and wind make for easy targets, but oil couldn't possibly play a part in a sustainable future - a truth obvious to even renewables advocates.

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Noam Mayraz on Sep 18, 2019 10:51 pm GMT

Bob Meinetz - Yeah, I am from Houston, but always been a power generation professional; coal-fired, nuclear, gas-fired, combustion gas turbines, HRSG’s, solar, wind, geothermal and hydroelectric. I also have substations, T&D, STATCOM, SVC experience, - you name it, I have done that.

I have extensive experience in both wind and solar, Since 2006 I have worked in wind farms in West Texas, Upstate NY, Prince Edward Island, Canada and New Brunswick, Canada.   Solar including Ennis, Texas, Northfield, Massachusetts and Desert Sunlight Solar PV farm, 550 MW, California.

Also extensive experience in 35 kV collection systems, distribution (up to 69 kV), transmission lines (up to 400 kV) and substations, design, erection and commissioning.

I will explain the issues in a separate essay – I have experienced them all, no exceptions…

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Robert Emery on Sep 20, 2019 3:52 am GMT

Au Contraire. Petroleum is the basis of the Chemical Industry Here are some of the ways petroleum is used in our every day lives. All plastic is made from petroleum and plastic is used almost everywhere: in cars, houses, toys, computers and clothing. Asphalt used in road construction is a petroleum product as is the synthetic rubber in the tires. Paraffin wax comes from petroleum, as do fertilizer, pesticides, herbicides, detergents, phonograph records, photographic film, furniture, packaging materials, surfboards, paints, and artificial fibers used in clothing, upholstery, and carpet backing. Solvents Diesel Motor Oil Bearing Grease Ink Floor Wax Ballpoint Pens Football Cleats Upholstery Sweaters Boats Insecticides Bicycle Tires Sports Car Bodies Nail Polish Fishing lures Dresses Tires Golf Bags Perfumes Cassettes Dishwasher Tool Boxes Shoe Polish Motorcycle Helmet Caulking Petroleum Jelly Transparent Tape CD Player Faucet Washers Antiseptics Clothesline Curtains Food Preservatives Basketballs Soap Vitamin Capsules Antihistamines Purses Shoes Dashboards Cortisone Deodorant Footballs Putty Dyes Panty Hose Refrigerant Percolators Life Jackets Rubbing Alcohol Linings Skis TV Cabinets Shag Rugs Electrician's Tape Tool Racks Car Battery Cases Epoxy Paint Mops Slacks Insect Repellent Oil Filters Umbrellas Yarn Fertilizers Hair Coloring Roofing Toilet Seats Fishing Rods Lipstick Denture Adhesive Linoleum Ice Cube Trays Synthetic Rubber Speakers Plastic Wood Electric Blankets Glycerin Tennis Rackets Rubber Cement Fishing Boots Dice Nylon Rope Candles Trash Bags House Paint Water Pipes Hand Lotion Roller Skates Surf Boards Shampoo Wheels Paint Rollers Shower Curtains Guitar Strings Luggage Aspirin Safety Glasses Antifreeze Football Helmets Awnings Eyeglasses Clothes Toothbrushes Ice Chests Footballs Combs CD's Paint Brushes Detergents Vaporizers Balloons Sun Glasses Tents Heart Valves Crayons Parachutes Telephones Enamel Pillows Dishes Cameras Anesthetics Artificial Turf Artificial limbs Bandages Dentures Model Cars Folding Doors Hair Curlers Cold cream Movie film Soft Contact lenses Drinking Cups Fan Belts Car Enamel Shaving Cream Ammonia Refrigerators Golf Balls Toothpaste Gasoline Ink Dishwashing liquids Paint brushes Telephones Toys Unbreakable dishes Insecticides Antiseptics Dolls Car sound insulation Fishing lures Deodorant Tires Motorcycle helmets Linoleum Sweaters Tents Refrigerator linings Paint rollers Floor wax Shoes Electrician's tape Plastic wood Model cars Glue Roller-skate wheels Trash bags Soap dishes Skis Permanent press clothes Hand lotion Clothesline Dyes Soft contact lenses Shampoo Panty hose Cameras Food preservatives Fishing rods Oil filters Combs Transparent tape Anesthetics Upholstery Dice Disposable diapers TV cabinets Cassettes Mops Sports car bodies Salad bowls House paint Purses Electric blankets Awnings Ammonia Dresses Car battery cases Safety glass Hair curlers Pajamas Synthetic rubber VCR tapes Eyeglasses Pillows Vitamin capsules Movie film Ice chests Candles Rubbing alcohol Loudspeakers Ice buckets Boats Ice cube trays Credit cards Fertilizers Crayons Insect repellent Water pipes Toilet seats Caulking Roofing shingles Fishing boots Life jackets Balloons Shower curtains Garden hose Golf balls Curtains Plywood adhesive Umbrellas Detergents Milk jugs Beach umbrellas Rubber cement Sun glasses Putty Faucet washers Cold cream Bandages Tool racks Antihistamines Hair coloring Nail polish Slacks Drinking cups Guitar strings False teeth Yarn Petroleum jelly Toothpaste Golf bags Roofing Tennis rackets Toothbrushes Perfume Luggage Wire insulation Folding doors Shoe polish Fan belts Ballpoint pens Shower doors Cortisone Carpeting Artificial turf Heart valves LP records Lipstick Artificial limbs Hearing aids Vaporizers Aspirin Shaving cream Wading pools Parachutes Americans consume petroleum products at a rate of three-and-a-half gallons of oil and more than 250 cubic feet of natural gas per day each!

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Matt Chester on Sep 20, 2019 11:12 am GMT

Surely this is a different issue, though, right? The discussion is whether or not petroleum products should be used for energy generation, along with all the GHG emissions that come from the burning of such fuels. While the industrial processes that convert oil into usable plastics of course are energy intensive and often require fossil fuels to create, the capturing of that petroleum into a plastic product is a separate industry and question. 

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Noam Mayraz on Sep 20, 2019 9:14 pm GMT

Messrs. Robert Emery and Matt Chester - Matt is correct; the subject was clearly defined as the electrical power generation, not the oil industry and/or its derivatives. 

I am pleased to plagiarized, credit given, related piece from Rudolf Huber, President at LNG Europe – Institute for Methane Fuels

“CO2 concentration in the air is measured in ppm. This means Parts Per Million. The current concentration is 400 ppm or 0,04% of the air you breathe. That's less than half a milliliter compared to a liter.

Now, methane concentration is a paradigm lower. It's measured in ppb or parts per billion. Total methane in the air is less than 200 times less than CO2 which is already 0,04%.

We are talking about the volume of the head of a needle pin per liter. And that's the cause of global warming.

Do those folks actually realize how incredibly ridiculous they are?

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Bob Meinetz on Sep 20, 2019 9:46 pm GMT

"Do those folks actually realize how incredibly ridiculous they are?"

No Noam, like their forebears, they realize how rigorous scientific investigation can explain phenomena which once seemed incredibly ridiculous (the Earth is round, it moves around the Sun, the motion of heavenly bodies is predicted by a simple mathematical formula, etc.)

This is nothing new - Svante Arrhenius predicted global temperature rise with increasing carbon concentration accurately over a century ago. So you're way behind the ball, and if you think the physics of climate change ever had anything to do with politics you're sorely mistaken.

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Bob Meinetz on Sep 20, 2019 9:48 pm GMT

Good point, Robert. Does it have anything to do with energy?

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