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These coal announcements amount to about 2.4GW of additional coal closures on the PJM grid

Cheswick is one of three coal closures the company announced, including a plant in Avon Lake, Ohio and two units at its Morgantown Generating Station in Newburg, Maryland.

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Bob Meinetz on Jun 12, 2021

Always good to see a coal plant closing, Joe. I'm sure it will be replaced with a bunch of solar panels, or wind turbines, or...hey, what's this? Are those two things sticking up the towers they put the turbines on?

Noooo, that must be Fairview Power Plant, CPV's brand-new monstrosity, just a bit farther out of town. This baby will be belching CO2 into the atmosphere for a half a century at least - and has nearly twice the capacity of Cheswick! Though gas generates half the carbon of coal, the plant's got twice the capacity. So let's see...two times one-half...

When renewables folks say "net-zero", do they mean net-zero carbon emissions, or net-zero improvement?

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Joe Deely on Jun 15, 2021

Always good to see a coal plant closing, Joe

Couldn't agree more Bob - always great to see a coal plant close. It translates into a lot less people dying from air pollution.

Over the past decade we have seen a LOT of coal close across the US and even a bigger decline in coal generation.  Great news.

When renewables folks say "net-zero", do they mean net-zero carbon emissions, or net-zero improvement?

Actually, we would be saying about 800 MMT of improvement.  Thats more than zero.  Arithmetic. 

Here are the generation numbers in US since 2010.

  • Coal down 1,073 TWh
  • NG up 629 TWh
  • Wind up 243 TWh
  • Solar up 131 TWh.

Huge decline in coal due to increases in both NG and renewables.

 

Yeah , but what about nuclear? down 17 TWh from 2010.  Pathetic.  

When is nuclear gonna show some growth? in the US or WW? 

 

 

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Bob Meinetz on Jun 16, 2021

Nuclear generation has been increasing, Joe. Or are you looking at 2020 - the year we had that global pandemic? Whether "cherry picking" or "selective memory", for renewables advocacy it's par for the course.

After the next pandemic you're going to have to work a little harder. When Vogtle 3-4 come online, those two reactors alone will wipe out your 17 TWh deficit in one fell swoop.

 

"NG up 629 TWh..."

So...gas-fired electricity is up almost twice as much as solar and wind combined? Renewables aren't even maintaining status quo, they're going backwards. That's pathetic!

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Joe Deely on Jun 16, 2021

 

Nuclear generation has been increasing, Joe. Or are you looking at 2020 - the year we had that global pandemic? Whether "cherry picking" or "selective memory", for renewables advocacy it's par for the course.

Bob,

I find it hard to reconcile your whining about the "global pandemic" and the decline in nuclear with this recent statement you made:

Rakesh, nuclear still has the cheapest fuel of any dispatchable source of energy - by far.

Why would a pandemic displace the cheapest(by far) form of dispatchable energy?

Plus, of course I am looking at 2020. That is after all, the most recent year. Once 2021 is done, I'll use that as the latest year in my chart. Do you see how that works?

By the way, for the first qtr of 2021 nuclear is down another 6TWh so there will be a lot of catching up to do.

When Vogtle 3-4 come online, those two reactors alone will wipe out your 17 TWh deficit in one fell swoop.

What year will that be??  As a comparison, wind in US is up 9TWh in the first quarter and solar is up 6 TWh.  This is after wind added 42TWh last year and solar added 26TWh. 

So basically you are proud that nuclear may get back to same level it was at in 2010 after two reactors which started construction in 2013 finally get finished. 

In the same time period (2010-2024) renewables will have added at least 500 TWh of additional zero carbon generation to the grid.  500 TWh vs 0 TWh. 

 

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Christopher Neely on Jun 14, 2021

It sounds like regulation is working if this plant had to close down due to market forces and not because of forced closure by the government or an end to government subsidy. However, if it is regulation and market forces that killed this plant, I hope there will be an effort to provide options to the those who will lose their livelihoods over this. Sounds like a good opportunity for the Biden Administration to show its prioritization of the workforce in cleaning up our energy grid. 

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